CANCON 2024 Interview With TiON Inc – Titanium Suppressors With Tunable Back Pressure?!?!?

Overview:

Rob interviews TiON Inc at CANCON and learns of their innovative titanium suppressors with tunable back pressure and no hubs. The baffle system and the included titanium adapter were something that we haven't seen from other manufacturers. We look forward to testing their slim profile suppressors in the near future!

Skip To Video Topic:

00:00 - Intro
00:22 - No Hubs?!?!
01:52 - Mounting System
03:25 - Modular Baffle System
04:10 - Tunable Baffles

Transcript:

Hey everybody, Rob Orgel, we're at CanCon 2024, and I walked by and get another booth, and I was like, I don't think I know those guys, let's go have a conversation. I walked up to the booth, see a whole bunch of nifty looking silencers, all titanium, that's their thing, I get it. And then right away, I was like, well, wait a minute, where's the hubs? You don't do hubs. Tell me why you don't do hubs. - First of all, hubs are normally about an inch and a half in diameter suppressors. We have the smallest suppressors in the marketplace, large are one and three eighths inch, for your seven, six, two, five, five, six type of stuff. And so what you have is some sort of neck down issue, or neck up, but the other main reason is that we have a unique mounting system which relies on two bevels, the mate to two bevels inside the body of the suppressor. And if we had some short little setup to make a hub, not only do we have to translate to a larger diameter, but then we have third party threads which we don't control, and we're known for perfect perfection as far as your group size and shrinking groups. And we control none of those things when you put some third party on there. And we're not happy with that because it will potentially ruin the reputation of what we built. So there's many reasons between the interface issues, the fact that we have these mounting designs that we have, but then there's the issue that everything we make is titanium. And a lot of these less expensive suppressor bodies, they want to put a hub on. They don't want a more expensive mounting system than the suppressor costs. So it makes no sense on many different fronts to do that. - Makes sense. And when I first saw it, it wasn't until somebody put this one and what can gets paired with this guy, can I demonstrate with? Who do I demonstrate this guy with? - You can do this. Yeah, we can just take one of our, this is a 556 quick disconnect. It opens up here.

We slide it in. These two shoulders made into here. Actually, I can show you this. This is a raw body that comes out of a CNC machine. And you can see a mount, a bevel here and down in here. - Multiple index points. - Yes. And so these parallel circles, they made against each other perfect every time. There's no misalignment ever. So when you have this finished product, all this mount is doing is pulling it up to those shoulders. So when I turn this one revolution, it's pulling it up to those shoulders. Rock solid every time, perfect, total repeatability. - What I love is taking it apart. I had to get educated on this by the guy who's up front here, but it was not just this, but then you had to push it out and rotate. - So it's like, okay, at first I said, why not hub? Everybody hub, why not hub? And now it's like, I mean, that really locks all in there. - Now there's a lot of specification in this back area and how this locks all in. - So as long as you're willing to step into proprietary, there's a ton of logic. And I mean, it's a compensator, which Rob loves that. - I have flash hiders, I have muzzle brake device, I have just mounts that are back here. - And it looks like a solid design. I love it. This looks really, really interesting. And it's something different. We're not doing a lot of different. - Everything we do is different. For instance, that body is machined out of a solid bar of titanium. Nobody on the planet does that but us. It's expensive, it's hard, but it's how you get perfection. When you weld, you get distortion and welds are failure points. We have no failure points in this design. - Okay, so-- - All our baffles are machined. - This sounds really high-end, fancy, high quality. Are we gonna scare people away with the price point? - I've been told by multiple people online and others that would do their own independent investigation, when you're talking titanium suppressors, we're right in the mix as far as the price. We're not at the high end. - So let's say like this one I'm holding right here. - We've got $1,430 and that includes a mount. So it comes with a mount. A lot of brands don't come with a mount. Ours includes it and our mounts are titanium. Nobody else does that, they use heavy steel. So not only do we have light suppressors, we've got light mounts. The other thing is with just common tools like this half inch drive, you unscrew the end cap, all the baffles come out for cleaning. - Wow. - So every suppressor we make is totally serviceable down to the single piece part. - I love it, this is-- We're also the smallest diameter in the marketplace. - Right, right, you were saying a one in three eights. - One in three eights. - Now we do have one in three quarter inch when you get to three thirty eights and a fifty cal, but the rest of them are gonna be except for our 22, which is one inch. - Nifty, okay, so different, new, comes with a mount, fair price point and maximum accuracy repeatability. - That's correct, we also have a patented baffle system in our Minuteman, which are RIMFIRE and our Finterfire pistol suppressors, which are these right in here. Those, it's an indexable baffle system, it's called gas indexing technology, it's on our website and our catalog and it explains the patent, but it allows you to index your baffles for high and low pressure. Example, a 22 pistol is high pressure compared to a 22 rifle. The volume increases on the rifle barrel and so the pressure goes down. All the suppressor is in manipulating pressure. - So you're saying I can control my own back pressure inside the suppressor. - Yes, and for instance, if you wanted to put it on a long gun, I'm just gonna, well 22s is really, they're so quiet, it's hard to really talk about, let's talk about nine millimeter. On a nine millimeter pistol, it's gonna be obviously higher pressure than a nine millimeter rifle. So you could index our baffles 180 degrees opposite of each other and you can get an extra three decibels of savings of sound. Nobody on the planet could do that but us, it's our patent. - Okay, there is a lot of cool promise here, there's a cool mounting system, it's lightweight. It seems, I mean, with these mountable shoulders for index points and repeatability, this thing has some promise. I mean, we're gonna need to do some testing, we'll get an email going back and forth because it sounds pretty awesome. - No carbon lockup, people ask us about carbon lockup. It's just a non-issue. These suppressors, because of these shoulders and the different planes they're at, what you'll see here is this is gonna be solid black, you'll see a little leakage of black carbon here and none from here back. That's how good of a lockup it is. - There's a lot of promise here. I have many more questions and testing will be the answer to it. I look very much so forward to it. Scott, thank you for taking the time to share in your product and your concept and the ingenuity behind it. I love seeing new stuff and this is new and noteworthy. Testing to follow, thank you for your time. Like, comment, subscribe if you wanna see more about this specific suppressor and hopefully we get some hands-on time on a real demonstration head to head with some of their competitors. Like, comment, subscribe, I keep saying that. Do it, do it.