Mounting Options for Suppressors – Quick Detach, Direct Thread and Proprietary

Overview:

There are a ton of options when it comes to mounting suppressors to rifles. As a firearms instructor who spends over 300 days per year on the range and an owner of over 50 suppressors, Rob Orgel has had the opportunity to test many of the popular suppressor mounting solutions. In this video, Rob brakes down the primary options for mounting suppressors as well as his current favorite, the SilencerCo Bravo ASR mount. Rob also discusses hub systems, Q Plan-B, Dead Air Xeno, direct thread and proprietary suppressor mounts.

Skip To Video Topic:

00:00 - Intro
01:10 - Rob's Favorite - SilencerCo Bravo ASR Mount
02:35 - Hub Systems
03:10 - Q Plan-B and Dead Air Xeno Mounts
04:56 - Suppressor Direct Thread
06:38 - Proprietary Suppressor Mounts

Transcript:

Hey everybody, Rob Orgel, and we've been noticing in the comment section a lot of you have been requesting a suppressor mounting solution videos. So here we are. Let me first give you a little bit of scope as to why I arrived at the destination I did. And it's not from, well I've got one suppressor, I might have a few more than that, and then I just fired 10 rounds. I might have fired a few more than that. Also I run a firearms training school and I'm on this range 300 days per year. I offer precision rifle training where I see suppressors come loose, where I see suppressors not returned to the same point of impact after they've been removed and reapplied. I have a lot of experience in seeing firsthand how suppressors behave over time and especially over a high volume of fire. So this is where I gain my perspective and my opinions on which suppressor systems I like the best. Now having said that, if you have a different opinion that's totally okay. We're all allowed to have our own adventures and you're allowed to love this mount and I like that mount or this mounting system. It's all good in my book, but there are things we need to understand about the pros and cons of each one. So in this video we're going to address what I like, why I like, and what other systems are out there that are also good systems. So I personally prefer the SilencerCo ASR system. Now why I like the ASR system is because one, it's very repeatable. Here you see have an accuracy international rifle and this rifle I've taken the can on and off and even changed suppressors and found it stayed exactly where it was supposed to be for accuracy. Now you can see that I'm a little bit cheating because it's an accuracy international rifle and the barrel is very thick. So this does give me a few advantages. However on carbines the other problems we might run into is higher volume of fire. Now we have a real high volume of fire. There are two things that can happen. One, it can permanently attach itself even though I told it not to. This is called carbon lockup. Meaning after 500 rounds my suppressor has built up carbon and it's locking mechanism and now the suppressor does not want to come off anymore. The vice versa of that is the suppressor coming loose involuntarily. Meaning I'm shooting 500 rounds and now something has come loose and now I strike the end cap or a baffle and this can end in a pretty bad day for me and I could lose my investment of that suppressor. So I like the suppressor to stay attached until I tell it to remove and don't fight me when I need to remove it. The SilencerCo ASR system I have found that to be very effective for all of those asks. So I've got repeatability, I've got attachment easily, quickly for the most part. Yeah there's quicker ones and then I have it comes off when I tell it to come off. So this is why Rob personally chooses the SilencerCo ASR. But what does that mean I need to do when selecting the Silencer? It means I need to make sure it has a hub system so I can choose my own mounting solution. Certainly there's the dead air chemo system which offers a few gains that the SilencerCo does not offer but there's a couple of cons that it additionally does offer. Now you can really dissect this quite a bit into any of the hub systems that you like the most and there are some newer systems which Rob is not totally sold on and if you like them I'd like you to tell me why in the comment section you have chosen the suppressor and also understand you can't shoot 10 rounds and tell me you love it. You got to shoot a few more than that before you say that this is the ticket and that is the plan B and the Zeno. These are basically direct thread over a direct thread so you get a muzzle device that screws into your weapon and then you get a suppressor that screws into the muzzle device without a secondary locking system. To me that sounds kind of risky. In other words if I was to take a suppressor and screw in a direct thread system one I would put some Loctite or Rock Set your choice onto the mount within the hub then I would put some Loctite or Rock Set onto the threads of the barrel and then tighten that on. This way I'm relatively permanently attached and instead of having a secondary locking system I have an adhesive locking system. When you take just a locking system being threads you lack the secondary locking system and this is why Rob is not personally sold on that. Now there is an exception and the exception is the Huxworks. Huxworks have a muzzle device that threads on the standard half by 28 if you're an AR-15 and then they have a reverse threading suppressor mount. Now when you fire it tightens it. If the chemo's and others are allegedly doing that I'd like to see it and I'm not sold until I see it. Maybe I'll test one or maybe you'll tell me what you think but the Huxworks sold me because of this concept and then I put one on loosely. I tested it and it did tighten up as I started firing which is good. The problem is between the two muzzle devices that Huxworks offered the trend I found was the flash hider did not create a carbon lock whereas the muzzle brake did create a carbon lock and after oh a hundred rounds it was difficult to remove that suppressor afterwards and that has to do with the flash suppressor pushing gases in all directions and forward and the compensator pushing the blast to the side which pushes carbon rearward a little bit. Now I have not found that issue with the Silenco ASR which is why I have chosen it. Now let's go further into the direct thread and then proprietary. If you're going to be a direct thread guy it's in my opinion a relationship. You're connecting this suppressor with this rifle for the foreseeable future. You can always change your mind on your workbench but you don't want it to come loose on the range. This is why I like using that secondary mechanism as the adhesive. Now on the topic of adhesives when you're attaching a muzzle device to your barrel many manufacturers will say use Rock Set and that's certainly okay if it's your choice. Some people choose to use Loctite. Loctite is defeated with heat and impact meaning you have to put the torch to it and then a lot of pressure on the workbench or you can use the Rock Set. Rock Set is defeated by letting it sit in water for a period of time and then putting some elbow grease to it. Manufacturers' recommendation and personal preference is up to you. Again choose your own adventure but within the suppressor itself very few manufacturers will tell you to use Rock Set attaching the end cap to your suppressor. In fact many will say do one of the two. Anti-seize so you can remove it later easily or Loctite so it doesn't come loose unless you ask it to. This comes down to a personal preference. If you go to the range and shoot a box of bullets and call it a day then you might be one of the anti-seize kind of guys so you can change out for tomorrow's setup. If you're a guy like me you might leave this on the rifle or similar rifles for 500 rounds and that suppressor gets hot. You might not be able to check for tightness somewhere around 200 rounds in. It'd be a little bit warm. It would need to cool before you can check it. This is why Rob prefers to be a little bit more of a Loctite type of guy within the suppressor itself. Now that we've covered the favorites type that I have which is the ASR system we've talked about some of the other systems that exist I now want to talk about the proprietary systems. Now here's what I don't like about proprietary. This is a manufacturer saying this is the muzzle device you will use. This is the suppressor that pairs with it and it takes away a lot of your options. If we go back in time that was a pretty predominant thing. These days you see a lot of the proprietary mounts going to the wayside as they should. Now there are plenty of guys who say but this has to pair with this for these reasons and you'd better have really good reasons as to why your proprietary system is worth not using on all the other rifles I've already had with the exception of the one muzzle brake you give me with your rifle and the additional 100 to 200 dollars per muzzle device that I want put on another gun. So proprietary is something I typically will shy away from. However if you're a proprietary guy and you go into it knowing I've got one rifle one suppressor or two rifles in one suppressor then I don't see an issue with you saying surefire is my way of life or Huxworks is the way to go. Again it just comes down to your adventure. If you're a guy like me who has several rifles proprietary becomes not your friend relatively quickly. Alright so I'm going to put a pin in this video here because as you can imagine we are just on the surface level of muzzle devices and mounting solutions. This is just the first version wave top understanding but I'm sure you understand that one there's a lot you can disagree with there's a lot of personal preference and there's a lot more topics to dive deeper into and in future episodes we will go much deeper into muzzle devices how they affect the suppressor how they affect muzzle flash at night. This is just the first of many in this series so please as always like comment subscribe the shares really go a long way for us stay safe and we'll see you in the comment section.